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### Re: Normal Famitracker or 0CC-FamiTracker?

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Post by Threxx » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:12 am

> Highway Man wrote:

> > Deathro wrote:...I am not surprised by this after seeing such low quality things you do.

> Was that last remark REALLY needed? Your point would be just as valid without that last statement. There's no need to be rude.

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### Re: Normal Famitracker or 0CC-FamiTracker?

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Post by Dr. Merio » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:47 am

It's all a matter of taste, and what you're comfortable with. I've been using 0CC for the past month or so because 0.5.0 beta 5 doesn't run well on my new computer, and because it has some features that make it more comfortable for me (like Find and replace).
What I find really cool about it is that even if I use it to make my songs, I can still make them compatible with the main FT builds, so my songs become more accessible for people who use either 0.4.6, 0.5.0 beta 5 or 0CC.

> Deathro wrote:...I am not surprised by this after seeing such low quality things you do.

This wasn't necessary.
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Post by Threxx » Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:41 am

it's kinda late to turn this into a hugbox enviroment...
back on subject, frankly 0CC-FT is objectively superior in every way to the official build. without even using any extra features; exported NSFs from 0CC will be smaller than those exported from the official 0.4.6 build. the 0CC-FT NSF driver is more efficient and robust.
quite honestly if you do not have use for even one extra feature in 0CC-FT, you are likely not maximizing your usage of the official build either.
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Post by MiniMacro » Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:47 am

"after seeing such low quality things you do" really tells me how i can improve
wow this is total BS
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Post by Threxx » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:00 am

> MiniMacro wrote:"after seeing such low quality things you do" really tells me how i can improve

improve your mixing, i saw your cover of ruined street on the rise of roll ost, it's really obnoxious sounding, there's a lot of pulse clashing (use some vibrato or detune for gods sake) and the volume could be better mixed all around.
the added intro also makes no sense and is really unnecessary, and you did this instead of covering the second half of the song for some reason
i haven't listened to any of your original shit since i don't open 0.5 beta ftms, but this applies there as well
is that better?
anyway really, let's not turn this into another argument thread.
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the point has been made, 0CC-FT is objectively superior. frankly it is fairly easy to maintain compatibility as long as you do not use the features HertzDevil mentioned in his post, and frankly, i wouldn't even bother, there is nothing of value to come out of posting your modules to this board anyway.
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Post by MiniMacro » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:12 am

yes
much
i swear, these things sound way better in my head
but even still, i do really need to improve my volume mixing
and in TROR, Copy Fortress 3 is my own original piece - everyone that's listened to it likes it
you should listen to it (i can send you a 0.4.6 compatible text file)
wow this is total BS
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Post by Dr. Merio » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:17 am

Please get back on topic guys. If you need to keep addressing each other, you can do so over PM.
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Post by Stratelier » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:57 am

> Xyz wrote:...0.5.0 beta which is what my system defaults .ftm filetypes to

Except we have no actual control over that, FT registers itself as the .ftm handler every time you open it.

> PostApocolyptica wrote:

> > Stratelier wrote:Arp sequences are more powerful but there's no way to invoke them directly....

> I believe you have said this before but I have yet to understand what you mean by it. You might be describing a process whereby users can call instrument sequences directly (similar to LSDj's Axx for running specific tables, though tables can contain multiple effects at the same time).

Basically yes; an effect that assigns a given arpeggio sequence ID to the channel (the played instrument will override this if it has a sequence attached; comparable to how Vxx only works with instruments that don't define a duty cycle), but from what I heard it would probably require major work to FamiTracker's NSF driver to implement.
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Post by Threxx » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:19 am

why is creating an extra instrument so difficult? if you want to do anything other than one frame arps, you'd have to create 6 instruments in the official build to do major/minor chords and their inversions, whereas 0CC only requires one instrument and 0xy in the pattern editor... it's intended to streamline your workflow, once again you're asking for really weird and obtuse things that only seem to be logical in whatever your workflow is.
arp schemes are the best solution we will have for arps in FT probably, it is a wonder why they have not been implemented into the official build. they are the main reason i completely abstain from using the official build, as arps are 100% necessary for all of my covers and most of my originals
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Post by Deathro » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:34 am

> JohnLeagsdurg wrote:Dang, you guys really quite suggest 0CC is powerful than the normal's...

It kind've... is..
Just overall so many things can be done in 0cc that can't be done in the current vanilla branch of the program. There's not alot more to say about it without going into detail.
As far as arp schemes, they are probably the best form of chiptune ornamentation, that's one of the main reasons why 0cc is so resourceful even without getting into the complexities of all the expansions.

> Highway Man wrote:

> > Deathro wrote:...I am not surprised by this after seeing such low quality things you do.

> Was that last remark REALLY needed?

Needed? No. True? Arguably. It was really rude and unnecessary, so I apologize to MiniMacro for that.
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